Post by: Alex on December 08, 2008, 05:21:01 AM
Here is a breakdown of the current level design abilities given to levellers :)
Currently supported tokens (some are overloaded and have the same function, just choose a word and stick with it):
- "after", "begin":
Followed by a number, this sets the starting time for the event. Failure to specify this results in the event being triggered as soon as the level begins. Time is measured in seconds from the start of a level. - "team":
Followed by an integer number, this sets the team to which this event applies. See above (asteroid "owner") for team designations. - "until","before","end":
Set the end time for the event. Set this to a negative number to have the event continue forever. I am unsure what happens if the number is positive but before the starting time; if it doesn't do so already, this ought to cause the event to be a one-shot event. I will fix this if it isn't the case. - "every":
Sets the frequency of the event for the duration for which it is active. The value is measured in seconds and may contain a decimal point. The event will trigger every X seconds after the start time and it will do this until the end time is reached. - "spawnseedling","spawnseedlings":
These set the event type to spawn a seedling from a random Dyson tree in the empire of the given team.
[li]Conditions
These are pretty complicated already. The conditions set winning and losing conditions for the game. They are designated by the tags "win" and "lose" and have one attribute, "if", which contains a script that tells the game about the condition.
Conditions have a source team, a target team, a noun, a verb, and a comparison.
Currently supported tokens:
- "team":
If we already parsed the verb, this will refer to the target team. Otherwise it refers to the source team. It must be followed by a team number, which is the same designation as the above team designations. - "owns", "own":
(Verb) Sets the condition to be about posession. It just means "in the empire at the current time". You can set the condition to test if the team owns a certain number of trees, seedlings, or asteroids. You could set it so the player has to acquire a certain number of asteroids, trees, seedlings, or a specific asteroid (e.g. "team 1 owns asteroid 1) for instance. If you specify a number after this, the comparison is set to "exactly" by default (e.g. "team 1 owns 5 asteroids"). Otherwise, you may want to specify your own comparison or a specific entity in the game. - "destroy", "destroys", "destroyed", "defeated":
(Verb) Destruction. This isn't fully implemented as we don't currently tally kills and destriction and asteroid takeover. Essentially this only works against teams at the moment (e.g. "team 1 defeated team 2"). You can also say "team 1 defeated 2 teams" which will count up the remaining enemy AI teams and if it's 2 less than the number that started, the condition will be satisfied. - "create", "created", "make", "made", "plant", "planted":
(Verb) For now, this is the same as "own". Later it will be a tally of created entities. - "all":
(Comparison) Sets the comparison to be "all". The condition will test all the relevant entities. e.g. "team 1 owns all asteroids" will test all the asteroids and if the player owns them all then the condition will be satisfied. - "more", "morethan", "more than", ">":
(Comparison) Sets the comparison to be "more than". - "less", "lessthan", "less than", "<":
(Comparison) Sets the comparison to be "less than". - "teams":
(Noun) Sets the article to be teams. e.g. "team 1 defeated more than 2 teams". - "asteroid":
(Noun) A specific asteroid. Follow this with a number that specifies an asteroid. This is only really useful if you specified some particular asteroids in the level data. The asteroids will have identification numbers starting at 0 and going up by 1 for each asteroid encountered in the file. So the first asteroid you specify will be asteroid 0 and the next one will be asteorid 1 etc. - "asteroids":
(Noun) A number of asteroids. Precede this with a number or "all" e.g. "team 1 owns all asteroids" or "team 2 owns 2 asteroids". - "trees":
(Noun) This is a tricky one as it could refer to any or all types of tree. If you write "Dyson trees" then the game will recognise that as Dyson trees. Same for defense trees. However, if you just write "trees", and haven't written "Dyson" or "defense", then the noun will refer to either type of tree. e.g. "team 2 owns 20 trees". - "dyson", "dysontrees":
(Noun) Refers to Dyson trees. - "defense", "defensetrees":
(Noun) Refers to defense trees. - "seedlings":
(Noun) Refers to seedlings. e.g. "team 2 owns more than 400 seedlings"
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[li]Teams
Use the "empire" tag to specify a team:
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<empire team="2" grace="99000" />
- The team attribute should be self explanatory by now. The grace period refers to the period in seconds from the beginning of a level in which a team is denied the right to move seedlings around the map.[/li]
Post by: Alex on December 08, 2008, 05:38:52 AM
WARNING: READING THIS AND ACTING ON THE CONTENTS MAY COMPLETELY RUIN THE GAME EXPERIENCE FOR YOU
or enhance it - hehe
[spoiler:mlfanmmo]Press left Ctrl and D to enter developer mode.
While in debug mode:
Press D to cycle through debug information layers. The conditions should appear in the top right. Also the game will list the log of the level parsing, so maybe you can tell what went wrong if it doesn't work.[/spoiler:mlfanmmo]
[spoiler:mlfanmmo]Not had enough yet huh? Okay.
The +/- keys on the number pad will accelerate and decelerate the passage of time in the game.[/spoiler:mlfanmmo]
[spoiler:mlfanmmo]I can see you want the whole deal. Okay.
Press F2 to open the variable directory. This contains a list of variables sorted into directories. You can change stuff here and load/save them to settings files and level files. It's usually better to edit the levels by hand. Remember to back up your stuff. You can always just reinstall the game if you want to restore defaults.
Press F3 to open the graph window. This will show you various graphs for different things in the game - it's intended to give an idea of how certain elements of the game change with respect to attributes.
Press F4 to open the debug window. This lets you turn off/on visibility of different teams, and lets you spy on entities by clicking on them with the middle mouse button. You can also deactivate the camera limit and the sending limit here.
Some windows are resizable - just drag the edges like you would in other GUIs.[/spoiler:mlfanmmo]
Post by: metarinka on December 08, 2008, 01:39:11 PM
this gives me the motivation to kick out those remaining levels I've got stored away!
Post by: dbltnk on January 09, 2009, 11:05:32 PM
Post by: Alex on January 10, 2009, 04:38:01 AM
Post by: dbltnk on January 10, 2009, 05:39:02 AM
Post by: crazeh.monkeh on January 10, 2009, 12:28:17 PM
Quote from: "dbltnk"
I removed the write protection both on the game folder, the ressources folder and all files in them. There level files should be editable now. Still, both edit++ and the windows editor tell me that I can't write there. Using Vista x64. Any suggestions?
Hey, I'm running Vista too. It crashes for me sometimes if it is saved in the C: drive (where most apps get installed) because it tries to write or modify files inside of it's folder, and vista won't let it. Alex had me move the folder to my desktop and that fixed it, but your documents folder should be fine, too. I just installed mine on a thumb drive and it is fine. I can even edit levels and everything.
On a side note, I think if you set the planet to static the planet starts exactly there, but the swarm and trees don't. They start slightly off of the planet, and you have the roots of the plants growing off in space, but the trees themselves are on the planet. I THINK it is because they are on static. I could have messed something else up, but I think that is what it was. Yup. I just switched to not static and it fixed it. Idk. Maybe it just happens to me.
Anyway, Alex, you get to see my level soon, lol.
*Edit: also, is there a way to start some kind of a timer? Like "after this event, wait such and such time, them do this". I can think of a few ways that I could use it, but if not, I'll live.
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2009, 02:44:18 AM
Quote from: "crazeh.monkeh"
That sounds like a pretty serious bug - I didn't know that was happening. Could you email me the XML of the file that's showing that happen? Cheers!Quote from: "dbltnk"I removed the write protection both on the game folder, the ressources folder and all files in them. There level files should be editable now. Still, both edit++ and the windows editor tell me that I can't write there. Using Vista x64. Any suggestions?
Hey, I'm running Vista too. It crashes for me sometimes if it is saved in the C: drive (where most apps get installed) because it tries to write or modify files inside of it's folder, and vista won't let it. Alex had me move the folder to my desktop and that fixed it, but your documents folder should be fine, too. I just installed mine on a thumb drive and it is fine. I can even edit levels and everything.
On a side note, I think if you set the planet to static the planet starts exactly there, but the swarm and trees don't. They start slightly off of the planet, and you have the roots of the plants growing off in space, but the trees themselves are on the planet. I THINK it is because they are on static. I could have messed something else up, but I think that is what it was. Yup. I just switched to not static and it fixed it. Idk. Maybe it just happens to me.
Anyway, Alex, you get to see my level soon, lol.
*Edit: also, is there a way to start some kind of a timer? Like "after this event, wait such and such time, them do this". I can think of a few ways that I could use it, but if not, I'll live.
There are timers in there, but their only current function is to start spawning seedlings at random. Hopefully we'll expand on this as we add new stuff and get level editing more integral.
Post by: ccjav on January 11, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
OK, will have to fix this. Cheers guys.
Post by: sfericz on January 11, 2009, 04:44:14 PM
This thread is a great resource, thanks! Once I get to finish the game :P
I'm glad I found this community before you guys hit big (because you will) I find the best resources to a game can be found in the community members. In example.... metarinka has already made seven new levels?? wOw... People like that are great to have with a new gaming company.
Quote from: "Alex"
Vista sounds like it sucksI will try to reproduce these errors on my vista O/S....I have only been able to reproduce the (Start-up, Maximizing before loading elements) bug. But I think I read where you know what causes that already.
OK, will have to fix this. Cheers guys.
I think these errors might have something to do with the UAC on Vista, I have mine (plus a lot of other stuff) turned off and can not reproduce the Write to folder/file error.
Post by: wogan on February 14, 2009, 08:39:15 AM
You can solve all those write problems by running the game as Administrator (right-click the executable). This means that you'll have to explicity launch it this way every time you run Dyson, which isn't preferable.
But in C#:
(http://arcane.co.za/dyson-res/solveproblem2.jpg)
I'm not sure what OS you're coding on, but you should be able to explicitly set IO permissions. This will require user authorization when installing on Vista, but that's preferable to having to launch as admin each time. And it shouldn't affect other OSes at all.
Post by: Alex on February 14, 2009, 07:30:05 PM
What I've done currently is get the game to move the user-editable files into My Documents/Game data/Dyson (on windows only), but the jury's now out on whether that's preferable to the method you've just described.
Post by: crazeh.monkeh on February 15, 2009, 02:45:42 AM
Post by: Alex on February 15, 2009, 06:19:00 AM
Post by: raincloud on March 04, 2009, 02:08:13 PM
Post by: topmo3 on March 04, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
thanx
Post by: smokinjoe18 on March 04, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
So some of the settings people are putting in might be having a negative affect ???
Post by: Alex on March 04, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
How are you guys making new levels? Is there a level editor, or is it just a matter of editing the .level files in Notepad?
At the moment yes - we're planning an editor though.
Alex, can you cast light on "AI" section of .level? i mean MINTICK, MAXTICK... and may be there are other parameters.
thanx
Min and max tick affect how often the AI makes decisions. If you reduce these to something quite small, in thoery the game should get more difficult. Make them big to make the AI very slow to 'think'. Not that it really thinks that hard at all.
Could you also shed light on the min/max figures you can input as i noticed when you set the cost for a tree to 30 for eg the seedlings disappear but you dont get the dyson tree ending up with no seedlings and no trees ....
So some of the settings people are putting in might be having a negative affect ???
That sounds like a bug to me. I'll check it out. Cheers. But yes - editing these level files could easily break the game when you play them, so you will currently need to thoroughly test your levels! :)
Post by: raincloud on March 07, 2009, 10:14:57 AM
For example, I could make a large asteroid with strong seedlings, but maybe I want those seedlings to only be able to travel a short distance. (it might be difficult to escape the strong gravity of a big asteroid, after all.)
Post by: Alex on March 10, 2009, 08:33:08 PM
There is a minimum asteroid size. The additional radius for an asteroid is the sum of each of the products of each attribute with the size boost given for that attribute. This is then fed through a power rule to give the final size for an asteroid.
so it's (IIRC):
added radius = strength * size from strength + speed * size from speed + energy * size from energy
proportion of max radius = added radius / (size from strength + size from speed + size from health)
asteroid radius = minimum radius + power(proportion, asteroid radius power value) * added radius
Post by: Unre9istered on March 11, 2009, 10:20:14 PM
Also, is there a way to make more of the neutral asteroids have the gray (team 0) units on them? I want to make a harder level where all the asteroids are defended.
Post by: Unre9istered on March 11, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
Post by: raincloud on March 12, 2009, 05:22:39 AM
Post by: Alex on March 12, 2009, 05:56:42 PM
Is it possible to make set all of the asteroids stats somehow? I want to make a level where all of the planets produce fast seedlings, (mostly out of impatience). I've tried changing the "minspeed" stat but that seems to cause an error.At the moment the stats are equally randomly generated. You can set individual asteroid stats in a level:
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<asteroid pos="-2500,0" attribs="0.7,0.2,0.3" owner="2" trees="3,1" seedlings="40" static="false"/>change the attribs field.Also, is there a way to make more of the neutral asteroids have the gray (team 0) units on them? I want to make a harder level where all the asteroids are defended.You can do this procedurally by modifying the following variables:
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<dir name="GAME">
<dir name="GREYSPROBABILITY" type="int" value="15" />
<dir name="GREYSMIN" type="int" value="5" />
<dir name="GREYSMAX" type="int" value="10" />
</dir>Probability is 0 -> 100% chance of greys being created on an asteroid at the start of the game.min/max are limits on the number of generated enemies.
One more question: Is there a reason the AI teams have no limit on how far their seeds can travel? It's really annoying to have to defend asteroids that are 6 asteroids away from my borders...The reason is that the AI teams are a filthy hack that needs rewriting.
Wow, that's really complicated, why didn't the developers just set up a function where you could set attack radius to 1000 or 500 or whatever you want? It seems so unintuitive to choose attack radii in such a complex way.We made it like this so that there could be a difference in value between smaller and larger asteroids. I don't think it's unintuitive that larger asteroids allow you to send farther, but it does result in bugs which we do need to address. If you want to set the radius, change the following values:
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<dir name="ASTEROIDS">
<dir name="MINSENDDISTANCE" type="int" value="1000" />
<dir name="MAXSENDDISTANCE" type="int" value="1000" />
</dir>and set them to the same desired value as shown. That should work.
Post by: Unre9istered on March 14, 2009, 03:23:12 AM
Anyone know if this is possible and if so what the scripting would be for that?
Another idea is an array of asteroids where you need to take a specific asteroid, but if you attack one of the 3 or 4 that you can reach the goal from the rest of the enemy asteroids suddenly become active rather than passive and start to attack you. Is this possible?
Post by: raincloud on March 14, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Post by: Alex on March 15, 2009, 06:33:58 PM
I'm trying to build a level where each time you take an asteroid, more seedlings are added to the remaining enemy asteroids.Sadly we don't have enough functionality to do this at the moment. Sorry.
Anyone know if this is possible and if so what the scripting would be for that?
Another idea is an array of asteroids where you need to take a specific asteroid, but if you attack one of the 3 or 4 that you can reach the goal from the rest of the enemy asteroids suddenly become active rather than passive and start to attack you. Is this possible?
Post by: Unre9istered on March 18, 2009, 03:28:56 AM
Any ideas?
Post by: Alex on March 19, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
Post by: Unre9istered on March 19, 2009, 10:24:02 PM
I've tried it. Do I need to specify it for every asteroid I give that team or something?
Post by: Alex on March 19, 2009, 10:38:47 PM
Post by: Unre9istered on March 19, 2009, 11:08:36 PM
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2009, 01:05:28 AM
Post by: Unre9istered on March 20, 2009, 02:28:53 AM
Post by: zero on April 26, 2009, 08:16:12 PM
Post by: Alex on April 27, 2009, 07:37:43 AM
Post by: AUSisp*cry* on May 09, 2009, 05:38:24 PM
2) Is there an E.T.A. of a patch that fixes the comps ability to 'fly' beyond set range?
3) Is there some way i can change the max number of trees for all but certain planets?
4) Is there a way i can change the cost of defense trees?
5) How would i put in the xml to add seeds to a specific planet without dyson trees every x seconds?
6) Is there a way to set it so that you can only build dyson trees?
7) Is there some way i can set it so that when you cap a asteroid, the tree that you destroyed grows back as the same tree? (e.g. i destroy a defense tree, cap the asteroid, and then have the defense tree start to grow back)
8 ) What do these things do:
-Checktimer (missiles)
-anything to do with volume (asteroids)
-asteroids (game)
Thanks
-AUSisp*cry*
Post by: Alex on May 11, 2009, 03:05:36 AM
1) Is there a way to set the starting view to be of the planet that you control?
2) Is there an E.T.A. of a patch that fixes the comps ability to 'fly' beyond set range?
3) Is there some way i can change the max number of trees for all but certain planets?
4) Is there a way i can change the cost of defense trees?
5) How would i put in the xml to add seeds to a specific planet without dyson trees every x seconds?
6) Is there a way to set it so that you can only build dyson trees?
7) Is there some way i can set it so that when you cap a asteroid, the tree that you destroyed grows back as the same tree? (e.g. i destroy a defense tree, cap the asteroid, and then have the defense tree start to grow back)
8 ) What do these things do:
-Checktimer (missiles)
-anything to do with volume (asteroids)
-asteroids (game)
Thanks
-AUSisp*cry*
1) If it doesn't, that sounds like a bug. Possibly the camera is just focusing on the first asteroid in the level file - try swapping hte player asteroid with that and see if that fixes it.
2) Not yet - It'll be fixed by the time we release though.
3) Not yet. It's on the list though.
4) Yeah. It should be in the defense structures area of your level xml or default.xml - change the cost value and it should update accordingly.
5) There is a level design feature for this at the moment, but it's not quite what you want. This doesn't work too well at the moment and is just an event for one level. It just makes seedlings pop out of a team's trees every X seconds. I don't recommend using it. We will put stuff like this in later though.
6) No, but if you were to set the cost of a defense tree to like a million seedlings, then that should do it :)
7) Not at the moment.
8) a) how often missiles check for enemies to strike.
b) There are a few sound effects in there that these control - "VOLUME" controls the maximum volume of the ambient asteroid sounds (the radio noises); "CONQUERVOLUME" controls the volume of the sound made when an asteroid is captured; "SENDVOLUME" controls the volume of the noise made when you send seedlings from one place to another.
c) This is the number of asteroids in the belt, which is usually overridden by the levels xml.
Post by: Vanger on July 21, 2009, 04:50:08 AM
Do not use "more than" or "less then". The former is always true, the latter is always false.
Use "morethan/lessthan" or "more/less" instead!
Post by: FemHeink73 on October 16, 2009, 07:15:51 PM
You seem to be able to solve levels that I would deem impossible after seeing them once, I guess I need to take some tips from you
Post by: Imagamer on October 23, 2009, 07:37:09 AM
Thanks
Edit: Nevermind, I discovered that you're working on it.
Post by: ________ on December 22, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
Post by: w4tc on January 03, 2010, 01:18:42 AM
Post by: Alex on January 08, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
random asteroids with trees on is no problem ______, start a new thread and i'll post a script later
Post by: annikk.exe on January 26, 2010, 12:23:01 AM
It does seem to be possible to change an asteroid's radius and send distance in Function Level Logic, though. Send distance works for sure as I have this working in the level I'm working on. Haven't tried asteroid radius yet, but with the mathematical functions included in the LUA language it should mean it's possible to create asteroids that grow and shrink over time, or depending on how many seeds or trees are on them. The idea of having "pulsating" asteroids seems pretty cool, and not something I've seen in any levels so far.. :>
Post by: Rudolf on January 26, 2010, 05:25:25 PM
You could make it conditional on events and let the level colourcode how well you are doing. CRAZY TALK!!!
Post by: annikk.exe on January 26, 2010, 06:03:22 PM
Haven't tried scripting background colour changes yet, but it's cool to know that this works ! ^_^